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 Post subject: Re: High Sierra 10.13
 Post Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:17 pm 
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I'm now on O.S. 10.13.1

Has anyone else found that in Photos, the scroll bar on the RHS is extremely parsimonious in operation. After scrolling up or down (forward or back in time), the marker disappears after less than half a second. This makes it impossible to click within the scroll bar, because it's disappeared.

I find that clicking in the bar is the easiest way to scroll large distances with accuracy although the mouse scroll wheel is the fastest. But why has Apple effectively removed the sensible and convenient click option from the scroll bar?

Lorimer

Update to 10.13.2
I was having trouble editing in Photos under 10.13.1, the adjustments sliders wouldn't work and everything kept locking up. The curser would move ok but everything else was unresponsive without severe delays. The update has fixed things.

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 Post subject: Re: High Sierra 10.13
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Paw,

You're right. Now i've installed 10.13.1, the scroll bar operates normally. It must have been a bug (which shouldn't have been there in the first place!).

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 Post subject: Re: High Sierra 10.13
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Here is an issue I have found with HS. I have been using the utility Get Backup 2 to clone my system every few months. I got it as a freebie via MacFormat iirc. Today was the next due day. GB2 is mostly greyed out but does tell me why. "HFS+ required for source and destination." You will have spotted the problem for yourself. I'm now in the position that I can't carry on cloning. It probably isn't worth keeping the clone so need to start all over again by recovering the external drive for other use. Can anyone recommend free cloning tools that work with High Sierra and are known to handle APFS? Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: High Sierra 10.13
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You'll have to pay for it but CCC v5. Designed for APFS and High Sierra (10.13)

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 Post subject: Re: High Sierra 10.13
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Carbon Copy Cloner - https://bombich.com

Not free but how much is your data worth?


Oh and in my opinion, you need to back up more regularly.

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 Post subject: Re: High Sierra 10.13
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I did review the paid for utilities, including CCC5.

The thing is, and please feel free to poo-poo the following, if the SSD fails in the MBPr, I can replace it. I can then get HS back from a recovery boot, apps back from the Store and data back from OneDrive. It is more a question of how much is my time worth. Just the same as if the MBPr was stolen/incinerated/submerged and replaced.


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 Post subject: Re: High Sierra 10.13
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Hi poo-poo
If your time is worth a lot, keeping a clone updated is the most time-efficient way to save the day.
If you resent paying for CCC5, maybe you actually value cost more highly than your time.

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 Post subject: Re: High Sierra 10.13
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I have plenty of time these days and little to fill it with, which is fine by me.


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 Post subject: Re: High Sierra 10.13
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Okay, fine. Then perhaps it is less a question of how much your time is worth. Reinstating everything the long winded way is certainly time-consuming but mostly it's just a matter of sitting and waiting for stuff to download and copy from one place to another. And then re-organising it. And then making sure that all the bits and pieces that you've got in different places, actually fit together and work again. And that you haven't lost too much important information that you had previously had such as autofill data and bookmarks and links and stuff ... All of which can be circumvented by having an up-to-date clone. But money is tight these days I know. It is for me too.

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 Post subject: Re: High Sierra 10.13
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Amazing that no-one has mentioned Time Machine.

Step 1: reinstall your OS
Step 2: restore everything else from TiM

Ok, Step 2 is a bit long winded, but it does the job.

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 Post subject: Re: High Sierra 10.13
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Were it a simple question of money, I'd just get the latest version of Get Backup Pro ($19.99/£14.93), which would be half the price of CCC5 (£30.90). I was just enquiring whether there was a free utility now that mine had become a casualty of progress because of APFS. No point spending unnecessarily. Seems not, so it is down to me to be responsible for the way forward. One plus for CCC5 is you guys use and recommend it. Maybe I will get the 30-day trial and go from there. Thanks, both.

This has not put me off High Sierra (the topic) so back on track, maybe

I do have TM running to my server so that as well (as mentioned while I was replying).


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 Post subject: Re: High Sierra 10.13
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Well there is the Terminal option. I don't know exactly how to do it but it is perfectly possible to set up commands to clone from one disk to another. Research needed.

Ok, found these:

How To Create Disk Image on Mac OS X With dd Command

Create exact clone of Macintosh HD with dd command line

Ummm - seems a bit tricky to handle, okay if you're a geek.

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 Post subject: Re: High Sierra 10.13
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It's all Geek to me.


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 Post subject: Re: High Sierra 10.13
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For the people who are not Greek, here's perhaps a more understandable link.

What is the best way to clone a disk between two Macs?

The Terminal command to use for a perfect bit for a bit copy is dd
It's necessary to run that as a superuser so it's prefixed by sudo
The syntax of the command is the address of the input file followed by the output file (if= of=)
Followed by the block size to be used (In this example 1 MB block size) and then -
A couple of other things to specify error handling and synchronisation (not sure exactly how they are interpreted)

With this particular example: sudo dd if=/dev/rdisk0 of=/dev/rdisk2 bs=1m conv=noerror,sync

Before running the command you first need to discover what the disk IDs are - so that's the reason for the initial command diskutil list

I hope that helps lessen the geekiness of it for some people!

Of course that's why we pay developers to make good software that does all this without you having to worry about these details. CCC is one of the ways of doing it, it's recommended by a lot of people because they have for years been producing quality software which works. I think the current version of CCC makes file copies and not block copies. The earlier version of CCC had the option of making a block copy ("block copy" meaning a "bit for a bit" copy), I think the latest version doesn't have that option.

The difference between a block copy and a file copy is that a block copy transfers every bit of the disk, including empty space, across - as it is written on the original - and that will include the original disk directory. The file copy doesn't copy each bit if it isn't part of the data. It only copies the actual files and places them on the new disk under a new disk directory. So in that case, strictly speaking - a file clone is not a true clone, but for all practical purposes it's near as makes no odds for most circumstances.

dd produces a true block clone. Unfortunately less practical to use than software designed for the purpose!

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 Post subject: Re: High Sierra 10.13
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Το τερματικό είναι τρομακτικό .. or cough up for a clone utility.




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